Wow! I know that good paneling really helps the pace of the story, but I didn't realize how much the size of the box itself affects time within the panel.
Intentional, controlled variety.
Something I'm learning how to incorporate into narrative poetry. Especially helpful when your borders are FIXED to be the same size, with regular meter or stanzas.
Excellent stuff, both the theory and the art. ;)
There is an exception to the rule of panel variation: The Watchmen. Of course, without the strength of Alan Moore's writing, it could have been a disaster.
scott mccloud would approve!
this book is looking SMASHING, by the way. :)
Scott McCloud *does* approve. ^__^
Great observations, Rivkah!
Fascinating stuff--thank you!
This is so amazing--I JUST came home from Borders frustrated that there are no books delving deeply enough into pacing and panel layout!!! How did you read my mind?!! >:D
I am preparing a submission for Tokyopop and just decided to re-do my manga pages because I like the layout less and less every time I look at them. So this is mui mui (I don't know...I don't speak Spanish...) appreciated.
look forward to part 2 :)
Wow! I've always looked at manga and thought, How do they plan ahead for their layouts?
This was informative and so easy to follow... Thank you so much for taking the time to type it up! (Out of curiousity, are you planning on making a book on drawing comics?
I am really looking forward to Vol. 2! Can't wait to get my hands on it!
Awesome stuff, Rivkah...you should do a book all about this!
Also, have you studied Carl Barks's use of page design and how he used it to create meaning? I found a really interesting article in a magazine about it (if you're interested I can forward you the reference or copy it or whatever).
If you’re interested in a specific field, publishing a news blog forces you to keep up with what other people are talking about.
You should make a section about your brilliance with this in it.
You read my mind. O.O TOTALLY read my mind. I've been frustrated for DAYS trying to figure out how to get my panels into a good rhythm...this definitely helps a BUNCH. I should like...send you flowers or something. .__. You helpful, wonderful person, you!
I wondered how it is that you and other manga creators decide on the page layouts. Its one of the things that I like about manga that the American "Funnies" don't have. Thanks for the "inside look" on it. I'm looking forward to tommorows installment.
wow, very informative. Good show!
Wow. I'm going to have to look at my thumbnails and check the "beat" to them now. (And this is a perfect time to go look through some manga!)
Dominant art is always a good thing. I learned this from my days as a copy editor for newspapers.
Basically, you want one image with twice as much weight as anything else on the page. For comics, I don't recommend it on every page, but at least on quite a few of them.
The dominant art formula that I always use to determine the weight of an image is (No. of columns) x (depth in inches). For a standard comic page, go with five columns. Lop off a column for the traditional manga format.
Pretty cool information. Since I do a webcomic, I try to provide more or less self-contained pages every day, so I'm often stuck with the basic 4-equal-sized-panels, but these techniques will be useful when I move on to upcoming projects.
2006-08-13 06:07 pm (UTC)
I really liked your take on pacing.
I wonder what you think of the idea that the amount of detail in each picture also effects how a quickly page will be read by the viewer. A panel with more detail should take longer to process than a simpler panel.
2007-01-29 04:14 pm (UTC)
Thank you for those hints
I've been working on my manga for a while and i always noticed that when i read it i wouldn't focus on the important parts like i wanted my readers to, but now i know why... thanks
2007-02-05 12:00 pm (UTC)
thank you. your tips in paneling helped me a lot thanks ^___^
2007-02-08 11:09 am (UTC)
Paneling, Pacing, and Layout
Scott McCloud pointed out your wonderful essay to me and I just wanted to stop by and thank you for it. So incredibly useful and insightful! As it happens I've got something that amounts to a drop in the bucket by comparison at my website, but I thought you might enjoy taking a peek:http://www.markcrilley.com/
It's called 'Battle of the Layouts' and is (for the moment) at the top of the page.
Thanks again, Rivkeh, I really enjoyed reading your piece!
This is a very useful post! Will definitely bookmark it for references when I draw manga!
Oh thank you for this. I have read Scott McCloud's books of course, but I don't own them, I borrow them. This I can always look back on. :D
Lol I've read "Making Comics" by Scott McCloud atleast 3 times. All of my Sequential professors have it on the text book list >.<
Great page though, helps a lot! I've always been pretty unimaginative with panels.
There are a lot of amazing tips in here ^_^, this and FARP on elfwood.com are the best look on layouts I have seen so far and Dan Head's short videos on graphic novels (expertvillage.com) are cool too. Thanks for posting Rivkah, I will have to check out your manga.
2008-01-30 11:35 am (UTC)
I googled "comic panel layout" while looking for some help with a class project, and yours was the first that came up! I love the physics reference and the way you've outlined using spacing and panels. It's a huge help! Thanks a lot :)
2008-07-12 05:58 pm (UTC)
Wow. This is really helpful. I'm just trying to start my first manga, so stuff like this is really helpful. Thank-you for posting this!
2008-08-10 01:23 am (UTC)
I've been trying to examine and study paneling through re-reading comics and such, and now I come here and it blew everything I thought I learned away.
No words can describe how helpful you are. You put things into clear and precise instruction (in which I thought was not possible). You're very helpful.
But in summary, You Rock!!
2008-08-14 12:59 am (UTC)
this was very helpful:) thanks for posting such a detailed tutorial:)
2008-10-22 10:53 pm (UTC)
Great stuff! Another element you may want to consider is which way your reader is reading-- left to right, right to left, etc. and work the action that way into your panels. Meaning, if there is a chase sequence and someone is running, for an english speaking audience, you will probably want the person running from left to right, seeing as that's the way your eye naturally moves and reads the page. This way, the action of the person running is not stilted and the flow/action moves freely. The reverse applies for 'stopping' action or slowing down the reading.
This can also be applied to the vertical dimensions of the page.
Someone recently pointed this out to me and, though people have a natural inclination to lay things out in this way, it's been very helpful to do this purposefully and with a critical eye.
look to Herge (creator of Tin Tin)--> he's wonderful with this.
2009-01-06 04:27 am (UTC)
wow thanks i need it to create my own
sweet thanks it helps bcus paneling is such a pain in making the comic book
Really, thanks for taking the time to post up these articles, they are really helpful, and interesting. Also (taken from the comments) the idea of comics in a rhythm of poetry abbabbc for eg, is something that never crossed my mind, it could be interesting to experiment with
Thanks for taking the time to do all this. It's best tutorial I've found *puts in memories* =D